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Message par Baalberith Lun 25 Jan 2010 - 10:05

Purée, comment peut-on écouter autant un album et avoir encore envie de l'écouter peu de temps après?! ;
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Message par  Lun 25 Jan 2010 - 10:09

Advodia a écrit:Voilà. J'en ai fait une chronique fleuve...

Bref. Il vaut le coup le petit dernier, mais il se mérite.

Ecouté plus de 20 fois, je pense...




Le livret fait combien de pages ? il est beau ?
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Message par  Lun 25 Jan 2010 - 21:49

Bah, ça va se calmer. Je ne compte pas faire comme ça pendant un mois. Les nouveaux CDs tournent beaucoup une période, puis je reviens à autre chose, avant de les remettre. Cela se passe comme ça en général, et ça permet d'analyser d'abord, puis d'écouter avec plus de recul après. Pour les albums un peu complexes (niveau empilement des voix d'instruments, des mélodies, ou niveau structurel, transitions), c'est nécessaire. Mais bon, la démarche devient très analytique, si bien qu'un retour à une perception plus globale et plus émotionnelle est nécessaire. Je vous l'explique de façon très théorique mais ce n'est pas réfléchi et ça se passe automatiquement.



En clair, si je me contentais de ma première impression et de mes tripes directement et uniquement, le CD finirait à la poubelle le premier soir... Surtout un truc comme le dernier d'Abigor...

Il me semble que 10 ans après, c'est toujours la même chose: les CDs qu'on aime le plus sont parfois ceux qui font l'impression la plus décevante.



Le livret, pas compté les pages. Il est vraiment minimaliste, très sobre, et surtout très très sombre. Il faut le mettre sous une lampe pour discerner les détails. Sur la front cover, ce qu'on distingue encore le mieux est le glyphe de Saturn. On voit par contre distinctement l'ensemble des paroles.

Au centre se trouve les portraits de chacun des trois membres. Très sobre aussi, mais quand même bien typé BM.



Ta question se justifie de par le fait que c'est une CD-BOX. Mais, l'objet, entièrement noir à l'intérieur, recèle surtout du vide... Ils auraient pu faire un livret épais. Mais bon, pour y mettre quoi? Ils sont plutôt laconiques, il n'y a qu'à voir les interviews.

Cette idée du vide, elle a peut-être quelque chose à voir avec le concept de l'album...

L'objet est bien peu de chose par rapport à la musique.



Une chose encore: ne vous fiez pas du tout aux extraits sur myspace. Ils ne représentent pas du tout l'album.

C'est exactement le même problème qu'avec Fractal Possession: comme l'innovation et l'originalité principale de l'Abigor actuel c'est de casser les canons des structures et des transitions prototypiques, des extraits de quelques riffs ne peuvent en rendre compte.



Bref. Curieux d'avoir d'autres impressions...
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Message par Baalberith Lun 15 Mar 2010 - 17:33

http://www.postchrist.com/chronicle/1733/ABIGOR-Time+is+the+Sulphur+in+the+Veins+of+the+Saint.html
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Message par  Lun 15 Mar 2010 - 20:41

Ah tiens. Tu le mets en lien. As-tu jeté une oreille sur l'album par hasard?
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Message par Baalberith Mar 16 Mar 2010 - 12:37

Pas du tout, j'avoue qu'ABIGOR depuis pas mal de temps maintenant ne m'intéresse plus du tout...
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Message par  Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 21:58

We can finally present you the previews

for the next ABIGOR release on End All Life:



Quintessence



EAL066 (2xCD, Part I ‘Channelling The Quintessence Of Satan 2011’,

Part II ‘The Satanic Tapes 1993-94’


[url]http://www.abigor.at/site/news.php[/url]



Extraits:



Quintessence Part I



Quintessence Part II
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Message par Blaise Lun 9 Sep 2013 - 11:15

We hereby report the completion of the recording sessions to the album and present you instrumental previews of:



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Leytmotif Luzifer

the 7 temptations of man



True to the ABIGOR tradition it will again be very different to the previous releases. Leytmotif Luzifer will not contain any synthetic element, the guitars and bass left completely dry and untouched. No effect edits or effects (except EQ) at all were used for strings, as the 7 songs of the album demanded this direct and natural sonic form.

ABIGOR have always changed sonically within the Satanic Black Metal movement, and using a rougher sound free of any synthetics brought forth recordings like Apokalypse in the past, yet never before has ABIGOR been as strict as this time.



Soon further insight concerning lyrical theme, vocals and the accompanying visual realization will be given.



CD &
LP version will be released by AVANTGARDE MUSIC.


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Message par AmorpH Mer 11 Sep 2013 - 1:07

Thoughts by TT ...



1993

Emperor announce a commercial festival presentation of In The Nightside Eclipse, with no further album or other activities. And people make a fuss about it. I’m the last one against a reunion (Prometheus was truly exceptional) or against being properly rewarded in cash for uncompromising art. But this is not ‘celebrating a landmark’ album, it reeks of cashing in on an occasion while betraying ‘the spirit’ which people cite so often when talking about this era. Selling a ‘let’s all pretend it’s 1993’ concert is against everything that Emperor and BM stood for in 1993. If anyone would have told them in 1993 to perform the album 20 years later at Wacken as ‘one off reunion live show’, with the band actually long split up, the answer would have been all they’ll do is burn down the place and piss on the ashes. I’m sure there will be another nice Live at Wacken DVD, this time ‘celebrating true 1993 BM’. 1993? No matter if one can cope with it or not, but 1993 was violence, arson, terrorizing tour busses of non-serious bands. It was about boycotting commercial magazines (not phoning the magazine buddies, hey, what’s up, like Fenriz does these days, shown in that dreaded Norway film) and in general keeping the music away from parasites. It was led by personalities, not by a handful of commercial labels and magazines and promoters who capture, monopolize and share the cake.



MAGAZINES

The situation is unbearable. A certain business way of thinking is understandable for magazines, but these days things work only and exclusively in a corrupt way. One can buy interviews and good reviews like toilet paper in a shop. I know of cases where the critic was instructed ‘not to rate an album below 8 points because the label bought a big ad’. And another case, where we led a great interview including several appendices and further questions because the topics were fundamental and interesting. Yet the interview then could not exceed a definitive length because the ‘chief editor said the label only bought half a page of advertisement’, and this was the reason why the interview had to be half a page (or a page). This is not the exception but the norm, this is how the thoroughly corrupt scene of today works. This is why the same labels are featured all the time, always connected to their ads, not because the bands are so great (a few surely are). This is why today you only get fed something accompanied by an ad, at the time of an album release. Not like in the fanzine days, where the interview was led anytime, because the bands and individuals were great and always had something interesting to say, no matter if there’s a release or not. Exceptions prove the rule.



THE INTERNET

And on the other hand, one has the rotten internet ‘critics’, the cowards that either praise their darling bands up to the skies without any comprehensible thoughts. Because those ‘critics’ have the ‘cult vinyl’ and want to believe this is something special. Or they shatter the work of years with the blink of an eye, disrespectfully, probably being threatened by the content of the extreme work. Only such lowlives seem to bother writing these days, resulting in ridiculous reviews like DSO’s si monvmentvm getting 0 points from such ‘critics’, or De Mysteriis got 5 points. Giving such brainless jokers a platform for their showmanship is a sin. There is no red line, no continuous quality in critics anymore, like you had with old fanzines, where you knew the writer’s preference and distaste, where you could adjust to these and judge reviews according to those. It seems trolls feed Wikipedia and Metal Archives with wrong information and nullities to harm the work. I have read that Abigor’s lyrics were not only about Satanism but about ‘Paganism’ and ‘Cosmos’, so I wonder if someone had read the 200 lyrics or just picked out a songtitle or a cover? Abigor had one single lyric out of hundreds that told the story of a pagan warrior. And never wrote songs about the cosmos. Yet heaven and hell, the earth and the universe have been described by us throughout the past 20 years.

While the headline notes on Metal Archives, which should be an expert site, talk of things that are either incorrect or have not the slightest value for the history or understanding of Abigor.

There are no proper standards anymore, not within the ‘big’ magazines, not within the ‘free’ internet. And sadly, for some time now, not within the self proclaimed ‘underground’ (BM per se is underground, there is no ‘overground’ BM, BM is always underground!). There was a tight scene which fell apart in the past years because of many band’s selfishness, betraying the movement, and the concentration of a few commercial entities that undermined and now dictate the Black Metal scene.



‘THE UNDERGROUND’

Black Metal once was about creating something extreme that wasn’t done before. Not chewing over something again and again. 1993 BM was NOT a retro thing (beside one or another Bathory and Celtic Frost reference)! The today often ‘covered’ Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone or Ildjarn all were highly innovative. Simple, yes, often, but still innovative and by all means individual sounding! BM in 1993 proclaimed tradition in theory, but de facto the music was something very different to anything before. BM meant presenting something worthy in His name, not pump out easy riffs again and again that older bands have thrown away. There’s many primitive yet highly individual sounding things out there. Just like BM in the early days could be simple and primitive, of course, but it was always highly original and unheard of!!!!!!! And this is something that many don’t understand. ‘Covering’ old riffs is not traditional BM, the ‘true underground BM tradition’ in the spirit of the early 90s means to come up with something extreme and individual, no matter if primitive or technical! And it means one should not prostitute oneself for a sham 1993 gig, just because the young BM generation does not understand what 1993 really was about and some older ones ask for the same old things out of nostalgic reason, because it reminds them on their youth.



Fuck all this romantic dreaming of one’s teenage years, fuck nostalgic warming ups, fuck everyone that tries to catch cheap ‘undergound’ fame by stealing other people’s art and identities without understanding the extreme content behind it. Fuck the trend people that desecrate early 90s BM by hollowing out the monuments and copying it! We acknowledge De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas as the best BM album of all times, we acknowledge Det Som Engang Var and A Blaze In The Northern Sky as eternal references and will always be inspired by those masterpieces (which were all made with the devil’s fire of creativity, not just by empty human musicians!). But cashing in on 1993 ideas only is not true BM.



FORBIDDEN FUN

In general festivals are ok, and good fun is ok, not for BM as spiritual artform, but for people’s every day lives. Nothing against that. BM has overcome the ridiculous ‘Lord of silence that never laughs’ childish shit of the early 90s. Creating serious BM does not mean hiding in a cave, listening to Metal exclusively and wearing leather jackets. It does not mean living a stupid cliché. It does not mean to be a sad lad abandoning all easy joy and every day stupidities. But it means one’s art is dead serious and bears uncompromising content! And the thoughts presented in the lyrics are dangerous thoughts! And therefore serious BM still does not belong on such a festival stage like Wacken. Keep such ‘BM for the singalong masses’ slots reserved for the commercial darlings that write their ‘art’ for these occasions, for Rock´n´Roll bands like Immortal.



FALLEN HEROES

People swallow the recent ‘1993’ thing out of false nostalgic reasons, just as they swallow Grishnackh’s light worshipping, happy family promoting, revisionist and folkloristic brain excrements of the past years on thulean-perspective, only out of nostalgic reasons. Just because he did something brilliant in his past life. 20 years after he last came up with something relevant for BM, soiling his own legacy by constructing a false past, lying and betraying the movement ever since, denying his roots in Satanic Black Metal. And denying it means he erases his past, and who has no past has no future. Insulting BM as a whole, while at the same time fishing in the BM sea ‘to put food on the table’. Just as Fenriz belittles and reinterprets the dangerous movement of the early 90s to fit into the tame concepts of today.

But people follow such ‘oldschool’ trends and figures like sheep. Herd mentality. meeeeeh, meeeeeeeh.


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Message par Blaise Mer 11 Sep 2013 - 14:02

Pas grand chose. Ca ressemble surtout à un coup de sang.

On ne peut pas vraiment lui donner tort ceci-dit, mais d'un autre côté ça fait un peu "le mec trve qui découvre que le monde est pas trve".



Il parle des dérives du BM, regrette cette période de 1993, etc. mais n'est-ce pas une critique applicable de tout temps, sur n'importe quel autre sujet que celui-ci ?

Je n'ai pas vécu cette époque, mais ne disait-on pas la même chose en 1993 ? Parce que excusez-moi, mais le coup des magazines corrompus ça existait déjà, juste que le BM n'était pas encore le sujet en question.



Et puis ça montre aussi qu'il ne s'intéresse plus vraiment à cette scène et ne voit que la partie émergée puisque tout ce qu'il "attend" du BM existe encore (groupes intègres, fanzines, etc.).
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Message par  Ven 13 Sep 2013 - 18:37

Bouais, les musicos qui parlent des trends etc.: de l'amertume, du mépris, du jugement etc. Si je peux lui donner raison sur un certain nombre de points, ce genre de déclarations est superflu, dispensable. De la même façon que les BMeux un peu vendus se bricolent une identité en rupture avec l'identité originelle, le fait de s'y opposer à grand bruit permet également de se donner une identité "trve". Le silence eut été préférable. Aucune justification à fournir: la musique seule est censée parler.



Quoi qu'il en soit, à en juger par l'extrait musical, ils nous ont encore pondu un truc bien barré, dans la lignée du dernier, pas si surprenant que ça, a priori.
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Message par AmorpH Mer 18 Sep 2013 - 1:43

Interview de TT où il revient point par point sur les différentes déclarations de son pamphlet :



http://metalobscur.com/2013/09/17/entrevue-avec-abigor/



Je n'approuve pas tout ce qui est dit mais s'il y a bien une partie avec laquelle je suis d'accord et qui m'inspire un profond respect c'est bien celle-ci :
You have to throw all Metal clichés overboard to understand the fires of hell that burn in the minds of people who believe in what they write. I can tell you that I have suffered immensely for my belief and the art I created with Abigor and the topics I have touched. And I know of other BM musicians who had the same experience. Who channelled ‘something’ with their lyrics and music that almost destroyed their existence. After praying the mantra of destruction, after channelling the fall of man on Time, I lost everything, relationship, flat, everything. And I know of bands who experienced the same, who deliberately murdered all hope with a certain album and then each member of the band went through an utterly miserable phase of destruction in the next month. Channelling destruction and touching the void of negativity is no fucking joke if it’s done seriously and not just out of a BM cliché. And you get a lighter mind when you wandered through these valleys.



Now do not tell me anything about making a joke on an internet site or being a lighthearted lad every now and then. I know how it feels to stare into the abyss and the abyss stares back, as Nietzsche put it. I could wear a pink Tshirt and tell you a hundred jokes today, while my lyrics and music are still dead serious and filled with the most extreme content. Fuck the artificial image of Black Metal bands that are too busy with acting pseudo evil than write something profound, and the fanboy children who fall for it.
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Message par Blaise Ven 14 Fév 2014 - 15:21

"We could hereby proudly announce a very special colaboration. Between his wintery wanderings on the snowcovered austrian mountains, out of the shadows of Mordor and in midst of the fiery circle steps Silenius, to record the vocals for the new Abigor album. To clarify, he is not THE new Abigor vocalist or permanent member, which makes this one-off event even more special and singular.

One could ask how Silenius´ solitary character fits into the ranks of Abigor´s satanic fraternity again, and this could be answered with the strength of his performances: while Abigor´s musical and lyrical approach has been intellectual sometimes or outspokenly primitive the other, Silenius has in the past proven his approach is intuitive, and this has given Verwüstung its most powerful screams, Opus IV its eerily wide range, or Apokalypse its obscure whispers. as true artist he could empty himself and let his vessel be filled with the forces that are summoned. What has been hinted at on Supreme And Immortal will be unleashed and fully accomplished on Leytmotif Luzifer. Just that he will step out of the circle and into obscurity again after these 7 temptations."

TT (on behalf of Abigor)




Solenius invité sur le prochain ABIGOR, comme au bon vieux temps.
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Message par Baalberith Ven 14 Fév 2014 - 18:14

SIlenius.



Ceci dit, ce n'est pas ça qui va changer la musique d'ABIGOR hélas...
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Message par Blaise Ven 14 Fév 2014 - 18:34

Baalberith a écrit:SIlenius.



Ceci dit, ce n'est pas ça qui va changer la musique d'ABIGOR hélas...

C'est le correcteur automatique. :mrgreen:
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Message par Baalberith Ven 14 Fév 2014 - 18:39

Oh oh! C'est l'une des excuses les plus admirables que j'ai entendue, bravo!



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Message par Blaise Ven 14 Fév 2014 - 18:40

Ouai, mais il fait pas la grammaire ce con.
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Message par Blaise Lun 5 Mai 2014 - 10:41

Samples du nouvel album à paraître début Juin :




Leytmotif Luzifer, the 7 temptations of man



Is an album written in liturgic form dedicated to the 3rd path to the mysteries of Satan, namely, pure and uncompromising worship, and the pitfalls man has to navigate through, the temptations.



Musically, no synthetic elements have been used, the guitars are completely free of any effects, neither reverb nor any special effects edit were allowed to touch the string intruments on this album. for vocals only reverb and delay has been used, no pitch or chorus or any other effect stained the purity and directness.



Soon to be released on AVANTGARDE MUSIC as A5 digiCD and black vinyl (gatefold, 16 page A5 booklet). instead of any gimmicks, posters, vinylcolours, we have worked out a special LP master and plan to let SST Brüggemann cut the lacquer before sending it to the pressing plant, to have the ultimate sound quality for both formats.

credits

released 01 June 2014



[url]http://luzifer.bandcamp.com/track/abigor-leytmotif-luzifer-first-insight[/url]
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